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When did Revolvers stop being Cap and Ball?

I was watching a documentary on the Wild West and they were speech about Revolvers.
Formerly revolvers had to be loaded with gunpowder then a bullet was placed in the chamber. What I want to know is when that was no longer needed and the bullets could be brimming in without gunpowder.
If's its confusing i'll add details.



the late 1800's was when there started to be more self contained type rounds near about.
  • Smith and Wesson had an 1854 patent on the 22 rimfire cartridge. They couldn't make a revolver to shoot it in because Colt had the patent on the idly rotating cylinder, which didn't expire until 1857. But they (Smith) did pick up the Rollin White patent for the bored-through roller. Until that expired, in 1869, Colt couldn't make a revolver that fired cartridges. So everybody was stuck through the Civil War span waiting for patents to expire. Of course, by 1870, there were tons of cap-and-ball revolvers lying about. So gunsmiths had a pretty sake business in the early 1870's converting cap-and-ball revolvers by Colt, Remington, et. al. to shoot metallic cartridges. As you might surmise, not everybody felt the conversion was worth it, and many during the depression of the time couldn't afford to convert even if they wanted, so the vicissitude was not immediate and universal.
  • I think the term you are looking for is 'metallic cartridge' where a brass case containing the explosive, lead ball, and primer is inserted right into the chamber of the gun.

    The others are right, the first one of those was Smith and Wesson firing .22 rimfire cartridges, and there were some extraneous 'pinfire' cases a while back too.

    But the pinfires weren't very popular, and the .22 was pretty weak, and a lot of the very first designs were pretty wierd (wallow the volcanic pistol)

    The metallic cartridge in a serious full sized 'normal' revolver really only caught on a little bit after the Civil war.

    The 'prototypical' cowboy gun is the 1873 Colt Single Action Revolver, aka the Peacemaker aka Colt 45, and it is named for it's year of introduction.
  • Smith and Wesson made the first successful rimfire cartridge the 22 short back in 1855 for their First Model revolver.
    During the Civil War numerous types of persona contained cartridges were patented including the famous Henry 44 Flat rimfire. Winchester took over the Henry and ripe the Model 1866 Winchester and again chambered it for this rimfire round. Colt also experimented with chambering their Civil War 44, 36 and 31 caliber percussion revolvers into a wealthy metallic cartridge system up until 1871 when they developed the Model 1871 Open Top 44 Rimfire Model. But the big convert came when Colt came out with the centerfire model of 1872 Single Action Army Revolver in a variety of calibers most notibly 45 Colt and 44-40. Wichester also ripe a Model 1873 Rifle in 44-40 ceneterfire. The US Goverment also developed the Model 1873 Springfield in 45-70 Gov't shell.
  • When did revolvers stop being cap and ball? Quick answer: Never. Ball n cap revolvers are still ball n cap revolvers. What happened is that 'fixed-cartridges' (self-impassive metallic cased bullets) came along around 1865. Some old ball & cap revolvers were even converted to fire the new fixed or metallic cartridges and so the old shot & cap revolver was slowly phased out around the end of the Civil War, 1865.

    If you are interested in modern ball n cap revolvers check by your nearest Cabella's sporting merchandise store. Cabella's carries an impressive list of ball n cap revolvers in their catalogue.

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  • The transition began in the 1850's, by 1870's most pistols were no longer a cap distinct from the powder charge. The percussion cap was included in a cartridge that was more reliable and much faster to load in a weapon.
  • I believe it was around 1870
  • The first shell revolver was by Smith & Wesson in the 1850's. In the years that followed, many cap-and ball revolvers were converted to fire cartridges. The transition was complete with the preface of the Smith & Wesson American in 1869 and the Colt Single action Army in 1873.

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